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sinko25 (95 posts) Click to EMail sinko25 Click to send private message to sinko25 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Jan-08-10, 11:41 PM (EST)
"play what you want!"
medeski: "In
all honesty, sometimes it's great, but there are elements that are a
drag. Sometimes we want to go certain places that sometimes an audience
is not ready to go. We tend to go there anyway. Hard part is, you can
feel what the crowd wants. Sometimes they just want you to do this
thing that they hear all these other bands do, just be funky and play a
thousand notes forever. But we can't do it. It's an endless balancing
act."

(full text: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=35078)
i feel like i've experienced this first hand ... the band going in one direction and the crowd going in another ... and then once in a while the band will reluctantly go where the crowd wants them to, losing something in the process.

guys ... ##### the hippies yelling over bass solos for "bubblehouse." play whatever the ##### you want. i'll follow

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: play what you want! Rumpelstiltskin Jan-09-10 1
 RE: play what you want! zenloki Feb-09-10 2
   RE: play what you want! Rumpelstiltskin Feb-17-10 3
       RE: play what you want! richie Mar-11-10 4
           RE: play what you want! duggy Mar-12-10 5
               RE: play what you want! richie Mar-12-10 6
                   RE: play what you want! duggy Mar-12-10 7
           RE: play what you want! amphibian87 Mar-13-10 8
               RE: play what you want! Rumpelstiltskin Mar-14-10 9
                   RE: play what you want! richie Mar-14-10 10
               RE: play what you want! sinko25 Mar-15-10 13
               RE: play what you want! christopherbob Mar-16-10 14
                   RE: play what you want! Zandre Mar-16-10 15
 RE: play what you want! amphibian87 Mar-14-10 11
   RE: play what you want! richie Mar-14-10 12
       RE: play what you want! bassdrop Mar-18-10 16
           RE: play what you want! richie Mar-19-10 17

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Rumpelstiltskin (76 posts) Click to EMail Rumpelstiltskin Click to send private message to Rumpelstiltskin Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Jan-09-10, 02:38 PM (EST)
1. "RE: play what you want!"
I agree. I wish that I could be a fly on the wall (or in a bottle) in the studio, or at the Shack. We as spectators should understand that yes we are part of the production, but we should not overstep our role. Let the artists paint their own picture, and then let them know how you feel about it. These guys are out there to produce, not to re-produce. how many people like going to work and doing the same thing every day? Please shut the hell up and just enjoy the show.
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zenloki (1 posts) Click to EMail zenloki Click to send private message to zenloki Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Feb-09-10, 06:06 PM (EST)
2. "RE: play what you want!"
"guys ... ##### the hippies yelling over bass solos for "bubblehouse." play whatever the ##### you want. i'll follow"

why is everything always blamed on the hippies?

i agree with the original poster, play what you want.

let it flow.

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Rumpelstiltskin (76 posts) Click to EMail Rumpelstiltskin Click to send private message to Rumpelstiltskin Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Feb-17-10, 05:11 PM (EST)
3. "RE: play what you want!"
>
>why is everything always blamed on
>the hippies?
>
It's nothing personal really, after the demise of bands like the dead and phish fans of these bands had to find a new outlet. It's easy to blame unpleasantness in a place you feel comfortable on someone you're not used to seeing there. There are just as many jackasses at the shows who aren't dreadlocked and pachoulied. The only way any of us is going to hear bubblehouse live is to keep our traps shut, and see as many shows as possible. The last thing I want to hear is a song they're not in the mood to play.
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richie (8 posts) Click to EMail richie Click to send private message to richie Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Mar-11-10, 08:19 PM (EST)
4. "RE: play what you want!"
Alot of times they couldn't care less about the audience. Most of the audience are not die hard fans, and don't know what the f*ck they're playing half the time. Like the last show I went to, I was getting off on their space jams, while everyone was looking at me like, "what the F*ck is this guy dancing to?". MMW I think for the most part has eschewed fame and fortune for musical freedom, which I respect, and I would want the same thing for my band, but at the same time, it makes k=like their music less. Like I think most of the Radiolarians is crap.
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duggy (59 posts) Click to EMail duggy Click to send private message to duggy Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Mar-12-10, 08:57 AM (EST)
5. "RE: play what you want!"
>Like I
>think most of the Radiolarians
>is crap.


WHAT?!?! Really? Care to elaborate on why Radiolarians could be heard as crap? I think it's one of the most exciting and creative projects they've ever tackled -- I love the whole body of work it created for us to hear.

I am very curious how/why this is your description of the Radiolarians music ...

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richie (8 posts) Click to EMail richie Click to send private message to richie Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Mar-12-10, 02:57 PM (EST)
6. "RE: play what you want!"
Well although I respect Radiolarians, it is not the MMW I grew up with, so it's hard for me to enjoy. I like their live sht much better because they switch it up so much, but their new stuff I should say sounds like crap to my ears. It's not crap, I apologize.
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duggy (59 posts) Click to EMail duggy Click to send private message to duggy Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Mar-12-10, 03:08 PM (EST)
7. "RE: play what you want!"
>Well although I respect Radiolarians, it
>is not the MMW I
>grew up with, so it's
>hard for me to enjoy.
>I like their live sht
>much better because they switch
>it up so much, but
>their new stuff I should
>say sounds like crap to
>my ears. It's not crap,
>I apologize.


HA! No need for apologies, I was just curious ... certainly not the MMW I grew up with in the 90s either, but would you really want them to be the same band? 10-15 years later?

I think they are still pushing and evolving and expanding their trio sound, and to me that is exactly what I want. I trust these guys implicitly and I am always game to listen to where they take me!

And I would have to respectfully disagree with saying they only "switch it up" in their live shows -- those 3 Radiolarians discs (or one giant album as I like to think of it) cross a multitude of territories ... at least to my ears ... I just never get tired of digging into the music MMW create ... there's always something to grab onto it seems, and as we make our way through seeding MMW shows chronologically on bt.etree with The Shack Project, and I comb through each show before seeding it, I am just stunned again and again how these three master non-verbal communication ... and it all boils down to a very spiritual experience for me, listening to their music ... and more I listen, the deeper that spirit goes it seems!

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amphibian87 (2 posts) Click to EMail amphibian87 Click to send private message to amphibian87 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Mar-13-10, 11:56 AM (EST)
8. "RE: play what you want!"
psh, you don't have to be a hippy to have FUN at a show. god don't tell me you guys are the douches who tell you to "keep it down" just turn the music UP. Most bands appreciate it more when the audience is vibrant rather than sitting there, MMW is NOT a symphony. Surely medeski was quoting the jackasses who only want to hear "chubb sub" or "bubblehouse."

As to Radiolarians- I think it's brilliant! it beats the hell out of "farmer's reserve" for instance. You need to get over the fact that it's different and invest the time and effort into listening to the songs. It's a psychological block, you are afraid to put forth the same interest in the new stuff because you don't recognize it as "genius" yet. Listen to "Satan, Your kingdom must come down" the piano sounds like chopin for a moment there, or "Kata" which has the feel of an arabic hookah bar. god i can't get enough of this album and it's a welcome change into the avant-garde!

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Rumpelstiltskin (76 posts) Click to EMail Rumpelstiltskin Click to send private message to Rumpelstiltskin Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Mar-14-10, 00:59 AM (EST)
9. "RE: play what you want!"
LAST EDITED ON Mar-14-10 AT 01:01 AM (EST)

I think the issue is that so many people come to the show with expectations of what they want to hear. They've bought a few albums and they want these guys to play all the songs they did in the 90's. They want the show to go their way and they're vocal about it. It's a bit of a distraction for those of us who wait with childish glee to see what the band will do next.

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richie (8 posts) Click to EMail richie Click to send private message to richie Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Mar-14-10, 02:30 AM (EST)
10. "RE: play what you want!"
I totally agree with what you are saying, but as they have moved forward, so have I, and I don't have the time to explore their new stuff. MMW is the best jazzy fusion band around, and their live stuff is great, but they are mere children compared to Remember Shakti, which if you want a spiritual experience, go see them, if they ever play again. Sorry to say in this forum, but more people need to be exposed to the near infinite beauty of their work.
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sinko25 (95 posts) Click to EMail sinko25 Click to send private message to sinko25 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Mar-15-10, 12:12 PM (EST)
13. "RE: play what you want!"
Most
>bands appreciate it more when
>the audience is vibrant rather
>than sitting there, MMW is
>NOT a symphony.

So why does MMW book st-down venues? They're not a symphony, sure, but they're not a rock band, either. As an audience member at an MMW show, I have a right to be able to hear the minute details of the set.

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christopherbob (90 posts) Click to EMail christopherbob Click to send private message to christopherbob Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Mar-16-10, 00:19 AM (EST)
14. "RE: play what you want!"
Chopin > Satan your kingdom must come down

I love the Radiolarians stuff, especially Radiolarians II. I'm not the biggest fan of that tune though. Maybe I'm just a little bit obsessed with Chopin. Check out his ballades, especially the 4th one, opus 52 in f minor.

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Zandre (3 posts) Click to EMail Zandre Click to send private message to Zandre Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Mar-16-10, 09:11 PM (EST)
15. "RE: play what you want!"
Yeah, the 4th Ballade is a masterpiece, as all four (but the fourth has something...)
But IMHO, the intro to Kota is much more chopinesque, while Satan remebers me of George Antheil, especially La femme 100 têtes. Much of Radiolarians fans would like this.
While into classicals, allow me to point you to Maurice Ravel's Gaspard de la nuit, especially Scarbo. I love Jean-Yves Thibeaudet's. I think this is my favorite "classical" piano piece of all.
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amphibian87 (2 posts) Click to EMail amphibian87 Click to send private message to amphibian87 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Mar-14-10, 10:54 AM (EST)
11. "RE: play what you want!"
LAST EDITED ON Mar-14-10 AT 11:10 AM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON Mar-14-10 AT 11:06 AM (EST)

Remember Shakti- this is some awesome tripped out stuff man never heard of em and thank you for the introduction. only listened to a few songs but as far as i can tell i prefer MMW for the "cool" ness of the music and the insane melodies/anthems they manage to create. also they are truly an ensemble, no single band member hogs the show, even when they feature a guitar (a stereotypical lead-hogging instrument)

amen though, i'm in VA where inevitably some redneck yells "PLAY FREEBIRD" no matter what band is playing! if i were the band i would stop the music right then and personally call him an asshole. *sigh* no wonder they don't come through here anymore.
i think they should play what they want. the people who like to dance have a hard time getting into the rhythms of unheard songs unless they are in very basic 4/4 timing, which is lame for fans (like myself) who are into MMW for how complex the music is. alot of this also has to do with not being commercial, so most of the outlets and venues they play (in USA) are associated with the jamband scene- not a very sophisticated audience. i believe this band is by far the most genius thing to drop on jazz since miles davis' Pangea era. if you ask me they don't belong at allgood or bonnaroo for a bunch of young hipsters and white-dude dreadlocks to drug out on!

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richie (8 posts) Click to EMail richie Click to send private message to richie Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Mar-14-10, 07:23 PM (EST)
12. "RE: play what you want!"
Yes, yes. But whenever they regroup, if we are lucky enough, please do yourself a favor and go see them. They are not just musicians, they have a psychic connection, more than I have ever seen. At least go see Zakir Hussain, he usually tours with any of a number of people each year. When Shakti plays, they play incredibly fast improvised runs, but completely on top of each other's rhythms at a million miles an hour. I have seen Zakir play short melodies on his left hand drum(!) that matched what another musician was playing without any rehearsal completely improvised on the spot. While you see MMW do this to a very slight degree; with Shakti, these are telepathic things, and if you go see them, you will understand, but will make Medeski and any other band seem like amateurs (not that they are in any way).

Dammit, now I can't stop. I have to write about a dream I had involving MMW and how it changed my life and musical direction:

Okay so I go to a concert in this theatre where MMW (my favorite band at the time) is playing and the entrance is up some stairs in a lobby. But I did not have a ticket and they were sold out, so I tried to sneak in, to no avail. So I go back down the stairs, and at the side of the stairwell, are all these Indian musicians. I stop to listen, and one guy with a very distinct face comes to show me some basic stuff on the tabla. And I try to play and it kind of works. That's the dream. Now in 2001, I went to my first Indian Classical concert, to see Ali Akbar Khan in Atlanta. So when we arrive, I start freaking out beacause the theatre is the same one from my dream, complete with the staircase to the entrance. I just had to stop and contemplate the moment, and my friends thought I was crazy. So we go in, and its 3 of us, and we have the 3 center front row seats (there was an odd number of seats in the row, so I sat in the very center of the front row. So then the tabla player comes out, and again I start freaking out because I had never seen him before, except it was the man from my dream, who showed me how to play tabla. Long story short, I abandoned playing western music and listening to MMW and came to CA to study tabla under the same tabla master I saw in the dream. Pretty crazy, huh?

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bassdrop (14 posts) Click to EMail bassdrop Click to send private message to bassdrop Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Mar-18-10, 08:46 PM (EST)
16. "RE: play what you want!"
Are you focusing on north or south indian music? Have you listened to any of Jonas Hellborg's recent work in South Indian music with the electric bass? I think its pretty cool.
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richie (8 posts) Click to EMail richie Click to send private message to richie Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Mar-19-10, 03:06 AM (EST)
17. "RE: play what you want!"
Tabla is North. Yes Hellborg Selvaganesh Lane is spectacular, Hellborg plays South Indian Tala on acoustic bass guitar, unbelievable. Selvaganesh is in Remember Shakti, the best music ever played.
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